Lump On Betta - ESHa 2000

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Offline Trish

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Lump on Betta - eSHa 2000
« on: April 09, 2017, 10:57:44 AM »
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My betta has had a lump where the dorsal fin joins the body. He has been like this for a few weeks now. Started off very small and gradually got bigger. It didn't grow outward, like a wart, but flattish.
There was no fluffyness, no broken skin, no redness. He was his usual active, greedy self. :)
I looked around the betta forums and decided that he probably had a tumour and nothing could be done and resigned myself.
However, this morning, The swelling has gone down and the scales where the growth used to be, have lifted, and I think I can see a bit of white fluffyness.
I have got Esha 2000 in my emergency cupboard and wonder if now is the time to use it? Or, should I wait and see?
He is still active and eating and seems happy in himself.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2017, 12:34:16 PM »
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Personally I would use the treatment. Even though he seems happy and active, I'd be troubled by the lifted scales and possible fungal growth.
It would be worth getting the advice of the more experienced keepers first, but I'd be getting ready to treat the betta if it were me.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2017, 01:18:01 PM »
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Thanks Littlefish,
I've decided to go for it.
Fingers crossed that it works.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2017, 01:30:31 PM »
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Best of luck, I hope the treatment resolves the physical symptoms of your betta.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for both of you.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2017, 04:51:05 PM »
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@Trish Is it possible to post a photo?

The reason I ask is that a few years ago I had a betta with lymphocystis and I think it would be good if we could eliminate that as a cause.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2017, 05:36:30 PM »
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Usually a betta that is eating and active is not too sick especially if it's been ongoing for a couple of weeks.  Which is good news as it means he's likely to recover.  Localised raising of scales is (though it doesn't look like it) a good sign too and something to be expected if the area below is becoming swollen with fluid from a wound of some kind.  There aren't any fish organs directly below the area described (it's red muscle and the spine) so I would be happy to rule out dropsy.

A flat round lump below the scales will be either bacterial or a parasite.  If it's bacterial it may have been something like a boil which will usually heal by itself.  If it's some other form of bacteria eSha 2000 will help.  As it will with the white fluffiness which I believe is a secondary infection due to the slime coat being damaged.  I like eSha 2000 as it can be used with shrimp and from my experience doesn't put too much stress on fish.

If the initial wound was caused by a parasite the eSha 2000 won't be too effective.  You'll need to use some form of parasite treatment.  Go with the eSha 2000 first as I think this will fix the problem.

To give your betta the best chance after any treatement used provide something that will help slime coat with recovery.  I think the eSha one is Optima?  As I said I believe your fish has a really good chance of recovery.  Good luck!  :)

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2017, 05:41:11 PM »
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Every fishkeeper's different but, if a fish is continuing to be active and eat normally, then I tend not to treat. What is of paramount importance is to ensure that water quality remains optimal at all times (0 ppm for ammonia and nitrite, <20 ppm for nitrates or else no more than 20 above whatever the reading is for your tap water), doing more frequent and possibly larger water changes to maintain that optimal level. Rather like a "halfway house", there are also milder treatments such as API Melafix and Easylife Voogle which can be of benefit too - not sure whether the former is suitable for bettas, though. These might be useful to bear in mind in the future.

If it's any "consolation", I've had fish past and present which have lived with various conditions eg a goldfish with a lump/tumour on his eye, a goldfish with recurrent swimbladder problems which I treated when at its worst, currently a tetra with a large hole in her side and which she's had for 9 months. That's not to say yours will or won't be able to live with an "affliction" but hope it's of some help to know that it's possible.

Best to answer Sue's question, though, as she has direct experience of a betta with a particular condition and it would be helpful for you to know whether it might / might not be that.

[Just realised that my post overlapped with MM's - hopefully our responses don't confuse you and hopefully you'll be able to judge the best way forward re whether to treat further or not in this instance based on what you're seeing. If unsure, then do let us know and we'll do our best to help. :)]

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2017, 06:46:31 PM »
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there are also milder treatments such as API Melafix...........not sure whether the former is suitable for bettas, though.

The API medications ending in -fix (including bettafix) are not suitable for bettas, or gouramis. They contain aromatic oils which can do unpleasant things to the labyrinth organ.

API Melafix is an 'antiseptic' and if there are others that don't contain these aromatic oils, they should be fine for bettas.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2017, 08:43:13 PM »
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Thank you all so much for your help and advice.

I gave the first dose of Esha 2000 at 1.30 pm today and then I had to go out and have just got home.
The lights have been out in the tank since I medicated and my little betta is asleep somewhere. ( I hope!)

I will try to get a photo tomorrow,Sue. But he is such a wriggler and the bump is on the "wrong" side of how he always approaches me.

Thanks marquismirage, it's reassuring to think that whatever it is could be curable.

Thanks fcmf, ammonia and nitrite are zero and nitrates are between 5 and 10. I do a 25 percent water change and gravel clean every week.

I will see what he is like tomorrow, and let you all know.

Once again thank you, your help is much appreciated.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2017, 11:24:14 AM »
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Hi all
I've spent hours trying to get a decent photo and this is the best I can do :-\

https://imgur.com/a/7AINW

There doesn't seem to be any white growth on him now, but,  I'm sorry to say, the lump/swelling is still there.

At the moment he is happily swimming in the filter flow, like a little kid on a slide :)

Obviously, I'll continue with the Esha 2000, and I have ordered Esha Optima, which should arrive Wed.

As I started his medication at 1.30pm yesterday, does that mean I have to dose at that time for the next few treatments?

Also, after the three days are up, can I continue with the medication for longer?

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2017, 11:43:53 AM »
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With eSHa 2000, there is a big first dose followed by more doses at half the initial one. And you can extend the number of doses if necessary. I would try to add it to the tank at roughly the same time so any time around lunch time. If you can't add it then, add it more than 24 hours rather than less than 24 hours.

It is hard to see from the photo - and I do realise how tricky it is taking photos of fish. I'm adding some photos of my previous betta for you to compare.
A week or two after I got him, it looked as though he'd caught a scale on something. But instead of getting better, something seemed to be pushing up from underneath. The lump got bigger, then it would sort of deflate, then grow again, all the time getting bigger and bigger. The problem was the position of the lump, just above one gill. His behaviour was typical betta - swimming round, flaring at things, eating like a little pig - until the lump finally went into his gill. Then he started lying on his side on the bottom of the tank, eating a tiny amount and hardly moving otherwise. That's when I decided the time had come and put him down.
Lymphocystis is a viral infection, so there is no cure. Unless the lump grows somewhere vital (like a gill) the fish can live quite happily with the disease. But it is infectious; viruses are released when the lump breaks open.
Is your fish on his own or with other fish? If he is on his own since you have another tank, if it does turn out to be lymphocystis I would get another set of everything that goes in his tank. I had a separate set of siphon tubes and buckets.

The first photo was shortly after the lump first appeared, the second was right before the end, and it also shows more lumps just starting down his body. Hopefully your betta looks nothing like this.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2017, 12:17:13 PM »
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for posting the photos.
The lump my betta has doesn't look as bad as yours had, and at the moment, there is only one lump.
It is so hard to tell what it is that he has. I will just have to carry on with the treatment and see what happens.
It's very worrying, just hope that he will be OK.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2017, 12:27:18 PM »
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Your betta could well have something different, but you need to be aware that it could be lymphocystis. I see from your signature that you also have a 94 litre tank and these fish could be at risk if you use the same equipment if it is that particular disease.

Many fish lead quite normal lives with lymphosystis, depending where on the body it is.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2017, 12:40:13 PM »
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I've got a different syphon and bucket from the one that I use in my bigger tank, Sue.

I understand that I will need to be extra vigilant and try to ensure that I don't cross contaminate.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2017, 11:56:42 AM »
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Finished the last dose of Esha 2000 yesterday.

The lump on my Betta seems to be about the same, if anything, it is slightly bigger.
I think Sue is right, and it may be lymphocystis :(
I managed to get a closer look using a magnifying glass, and it has a granular appearance. Once again, there is no redness or fluffyness,etc, and he appears to be happy and hungry all the time, as per usual :)
So, I guess it's just a case of giving him a happy life, and hoping that he doesn't go downhill too soon.

On another subject, I noticed that Esha 2000 contains copper, does this mean that the tank is not safe for snails? If so, will it ever be safe for them? The reason I'm asking, Is that I wanted to put a Nerite in the tank to help keep down the algae.

Also, Will it be OK to wait until I do my usual weekly water change on Sunday, or shall I do one now that treatment is finished?

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2017, 12:39:53 PM »
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Wait until the next water change is due.

Can you fit some carbon in the filter in this tank? Or even use a second filter? I keep a spare filter in the cupboard for when i need to use carbon. And I use PolyFilter to remove the last traces - after the carbon has removed most of the med because PolyFilter is so expensive.
Nerites are sensitive to copper. i have killed them by putting them back too soon. I would not be in a hurry to put one in for at least two or three months.


The classic description of lymphocystis is that it looks like cauliflower. Because my betta was bright blue, it did affect the colour - the lump was bluish grey rather than off white.

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Re: Lump on Betta
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2017, 12:58:22 PM »
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Thanks Sue.

I have got another filter and carbon, I'll put them in the tank, then bide my time.

As you've probably seen from the photos, my betta is a navy blue colour, with some underlying silver. The lump looks just like his normal colour, perhaps a bit more silvery, because the scales are stretched out a little bit due to the swelling, only time will tell, but I think it could be what you said.

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