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Camallanus Outbreak - ESHa-ndx

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Camallanus outbreak - eSHa-ndx
« on: October 27, 2015, 09:10:50 PM »
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I bought a couple of rams at P@H not long ago and recently one of them died. I looked closer at my fish and discovered the rummy noses, as well as the remaining ram, have little thread-like, red worms sticking out of their anuses.

So, I braced myself for big losses and ordered eSHa-ndx.

Does anyone know if I need to lower the dose because of my pepper cories? Or will they tolerate the medicine?

I'll be grateful for any other advice as well.

Btw, I was really disappointed with the store's reaction, or lack thereof. I sent them an email warning them of the outbreak and got no response.

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 09:42:34 PM »
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Well done for getting the eSHa-ndx. It's active ingredient is the main one recommended for camallanus worms and it is fairly new on the market in the UK. I only found out about it after I managed to treat this condition with two other meds.
Nasty condition  :(

Do the instructions warn about scaleless fish like cories? If they don't mention anything, it should be safe for them at full dose.

I can't find the instructions on-line but if you have shrimps or snails, make sure you check it is safe for them.

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 10:16:10 PM »
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Hi Sue, thanks for the quick reply.

The instructions don't mention scale-less fish, so it should be ok.

The medicine's supposed to be safe for shrimp, but the instructions say "you should be careful" with snails. I guess it means it may kill them. I have no way of removing all my assassins (they're buried in the sand), so I'll have to risk it.

I'll update the topic with the results.

Thanks again for your input and I'm sorry if I'm panicking a bit.

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2015, 10:34:55 PM »
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... and I'm sorry if I'm panicking a bit.

I think everyone here can sympathise with the panicking.

It's a horrible feeling when your fish are ill, and when you need to consider the medication affecting other species too, panic is a normal reaction.

Sounds like you have things in hand. Good luck.

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2015, 09:56:17 AM »
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Panicking is what I did when I found camallanus worms in my big tank a year ago

I didn't know about ndx (it may not even have been available then) so I tried wormer plus which seemed to have worked - until I noticed the worms again a couple of months later. So I bought what looked like the last bottle of nematol in the UK on ebay, and that did the trick. I found out about ndx shortly after using the nematol, and the active ingredient is the one recommended for this infestation.

The 5 year old amano shrimp survived wormer plus but not the nematol. I moved my nerites into another tank for safety though I killed one of them when I put it back too soon after using wormer plus.


The active ingredients are -
eSHa-ndx contains levamisole
Kusuri Wormer Plus contains flubendazole
Sera Nematol contains emamectin



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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2015, 11:55:54 AM »
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Your assassins could be put in another container with sand in the bottom, they'll survive without a heater for as long as you need the treatment in the tank. If you've got a flat topped tank, stick the container on top and the heat from the lighting unit will help too.

I've had to do this so I know it works.

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2015, 02:27:36 PM »
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Thanks everyone for your replies.

I've removed all the snails I could see and put them in my quarantine tank. It's heated and filtered so they should be comfortable there.

The problem is, I'm sure I didn't find all the assassins as they like to bury themselves in the sand. I'll need to watch the water for ammonia spikes after the treatment.



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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2015, 02:47:55 PM »
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That is the main danger with dead snails. Since you know about it, you'll know to keep an eye on the water.

Don't be in too much hurry to return the snails. It took several months for my tank to be safe - I dosed wormer plus again while waiting for the nematol to arrive so there were both in my tank even though wormer plus says it degrades after 4 days.
A big water change after treatment has finished will get rid of the bulk of the medication. Then run a few small batches of carbon for a couple of days each, throwing each batch away. Then I run a layer of poly filter to get the last of it. Poly filter used to be made by Underworld, it is now made by Arcadia; you may find it referred to by either manufacturer's name.

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2015, 05:29:00 PM »
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Thanks Sue.

I finished the main course of medication today (24 hours as per instructions) and I did a water change and put some active carbon in the filter. I'll look into getting the poly filter as well. No fish losses so far, I'm keeping an eye on snails and shrimps. I keep my fingers crossed.

I'll need to repeat the medication in 14 days in case there are any eggs left in the tank. I feel I've been lucky so far, I hope this luck continues.

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2015, 06:34:10 PM »
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You'll only need the carbon & poly filter after the next dose.
That's the problem with this infestation. For anyone else who gets this, you kill the worms inside the fish with the first dose but those eggs laid before the med will still hatch. So you have to add further doses to get them as well.

Do let us know if this med works. You'll know for sure a couple of months after the second dose.

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2015, 11:23:23 AM »
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I'll update this thread and report the results. Thanks everyone for your help!

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2015, 12:40:09 PM »
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I thought I'd post a short update. So far the fish are showing no symptoms of infection (yay!).

I had no further losses after the first dose. Even the one tetra I thought was too ill to make it recovered no problem. Shrimps are all alive and accounted for, I don't know if all snails survived (some might have died while buried in the sand) but there's been no ammonia spike.

Those snails I didn't manage to find and remove from the tank did show weird behaviour while the medicine was in, but they quickly recovered.

If there are no signs of illness in January I'd say this treatment is quite effective.

Edit: I forgot to mention there was a short bacterial bloom soon after both doses, which cleared within a few days.

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Re: Camallanus outbreak...
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2015, 01:28:48 PM »
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That's good to know. Ever since chanaverm disappeared from the market there was no effective remedy against camallanus worms till eSHa-ndx was brought out.

Cloudy water was one of the things that Sera Nematol said could happen too.

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