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Fish Identification from photograph
« on: June 15, 2016, 09:11:40 AM »
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In "Introduce Yourself, new member hampalong posted some photos of his fish, and one of them was captioned 'I don't have any oddballs at the moment, unless you count this. I'll let you guess what it is'

A few members have been trying to guess/work out/search databases for this fish, so I thought rather than clutter up the original thread with discussions I'd start this one.

Here is the photo

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2016, 09:17:16 AM »
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The discussion in Introduce Yourself:


Littlefish
Without wishing to sound like a numpty, but can any of you "old timers"/experienced fishy peeps help to identify the fish in Mark's first picture. Thanks.

Paddyc
In fear of sounding like a numpty myself... Maybe an Albino Red Tail shark or something like that? Can you even get those???

Sue
It's an not oddball (he said so). It's big. There are several in his tank.

Which means I don't know as I haven't a clue about most big fish. But it has a sort of barb appearance to it.......

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I'm guessing that the odd thing about it is that it doesn't normally have spots.

After a rummage around YouTube, following the links that Mark posted, being distracted by all the ones about the black ghost (which was awesome), and finally coming across one titled "Barbs and lettuce" <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRnzMFaUWiI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRnzMFaUWiI</a>
where a pair of the fish in question make an appearance.
Clip says it contains the following fish "Lemon Fin Barbs/Diamond Barb/Diamond Shark (Hypsibarbus wetmorei)", so I had a look at them and couldn't find any with spots on.
However, did find a link to the PFK forum archive where there was a discussion about lemon fin barbs being sold to people as diamond sharks, so I think Paddy can come out from behind the sofa because barb or shark even more experienced people were being mis-sold one as the other (didn't think it could be an albino with spots though).

That's as far as I've got because I keep getting distracted by other fish.

Sue
Got it!

In his post, member Hampalong said "I'll let you guess what it is".

That was a huge clue.


When you all give up, I'll tell you what it is and how I found out  ;D

(it did involve a bit of 'cheating')






Please post your suggestions below and I'll say if you're right *smug feeling*   ;D

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2016, 09:46:52 AM »
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Haha, excellent, well I won't spoil the fun but I've identified it too. ;)




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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2016, 09:54:54 AM »
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I'm guessing that the odd thing about it is that it doesn't normally have spots.

Actually, there isn't anything odd about it. Oddball is a fish group. You have some - puffers are classed as oddball fish. The group includes anything that won't fit in another group. They're not characins or cypranids or catfish or loaches or anabatids etc


Clue - he said he doesn't have any oddballs at the moment unless you count this. Which means it isn't in the oddball group but is a rarely sold member of one of the other groups.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2016, 10:07:19 AM »
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It's got to be a barb... I was thinking Rosy or Lipstick barb... There is a very subtle colour tone change at the "snout"

 ???

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2016, 10:10:26 AM »
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Yes, and no.

OK so now we've narrowed down the group to cypranids.



I mentioned above that it is rarely sold. It doesn't have a common name so you'll have to give the scientific name.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2016, 10:12:50 AM »
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Arulius!!!!

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2016, 10:16:27 AM »
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I could take a punt at it.....

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2016, 10:19:28 AM »
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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2016, 10:20:18 AM »
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I'd play along, but to hamper the fun would be unkind.

In any case, there's a tv program on now about gazelles and impalas so I'll have to bow out

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2016, 10:31:18 AM »
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You'll know when you have the right fish. Can I ask when anyone does know that they pm me with the answer so that everyone else can still try. I'll confirm by posting in here that xxx has the right answer.

Robert has already pm'd me, and he got it right.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2016, 10:34:39 AM »
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I could take a punt at it.....

Yeah someone pease join me....  :rotfl:

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2016, 10:41:02 AM »
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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2016, 11:01:19 AM »
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If it helps, that was one of the first fish I looked at  ;D


Don't forget I said I cheated to find the answer, ie I didn't just look at lists of barbs. And when you find it, it will be glaringly obvious. Hint - look at exactly what hampalong said in his posts and work from there.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2016, 11:18:12 AM »
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If it helps, that was one of the first fish I looked at  ;D


Don't forget I said I cheated to find the answer, ie I didn't just look at lists of barbs. And when you find it, it will be glaringly obvious. Hint - look at exactly what hampalong said in his posts and work from there.

I've got it now!!!!!  ::)

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2016, 11:28:47 AM »
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Darn, I've missed out on all of this today.
Ok, looks like I need to start having a think.  :)

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2016, 11:47:15 AM »
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I'm going off to sit in the box of shame...... I pm'd Sue with:

"How about the Two-spot Barb, Puntius bimaculatus?"

To which I recieved derision and scorn heaped upon me! (Actually, Sue's far too nice for that so I got a polite "no")   :))

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2016, 12:53:10 PM »
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I've got it now!!!!!  ::)

Maybe. You didn't give me the latin name so I can't be sure  :)

Pm me the latin name of the fish you pm'd the common name for.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2016, 12:55:20 PM »
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Colin has the genus right, he just needs the species now.

In other words he got the first part of the latin name, he just needs the second word.

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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2016, 01:33:12 PM »
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I think I've got it...... enough to climb out of the box of shame, anyway! :))

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2016, 02:00:38 PM »
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Don't reveal the answer - I went to all lengths last night, going through my old editions of PFK mag, googling and finding websites in which the description/characteristics can be input, etc, etc, to no avail.  I'm determined not to give up, though, but work is hectic today and no time for a lunchbreak except these few minutes.  However, I'll have another go later on (18:30-19:00ish), so please don't reveal the answer before then!! Thanks. :)

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2016, 02:06:57 PM »
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Don't worry, I won't. I'll tell the people who pm me with the right answer that they are right, but I won't post it on here until everyone agrees it is time.



Then we can all compare notes on how we found it.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2016, 02:44:01 PM »
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i think it is a filament bulb barb. cannot find latin name or on google! will try and get a pic when i visit him later! my LFS on my paper round has some! http://www.harveysaquatics.co.uk/

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2016, 03:04:46 PM »
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Do you mean filament barb?

It's not that.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2016, 05:38:44 PM »
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I had to go to 2 aquatics places today to get plants for the axolotl tank, and shrimp for the 125L tank.
Didn't notice anything that looked like the photo, but was also thoroughly enjoying myself looking at the leaf fish, and several other new arrivals.
Catching up on posts here & at caudata forum, then will have another think.  :)

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2016, 07:01:07 PM »
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I doubt you will find it in a shop, except for a very specialist one. There are probably only a handful of people in the country that own these fish. I had never heard of it until I managed to work out what the fish in the photo was.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2016, 07:08:15 PM »
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"Regrouping" after completely barking up the wrong tree (or should that be swimming against the flow) with my two guesses...

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2016, 08:59:30 PM »
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Any further entries?

Does anyone want more time, or do I reveal the answer?

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2016, 09:03:59 PM »
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I'm struggling, but haven't had time to do much in the way of research.

Maybe clues?

Is the photo typical of the species?

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2016, 09:11:57 PM »
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Even the clues provided aren't helping me - my brain is like this :blank:

Happy to keep trying, though, but definitely need a further pointer.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2016, 09:13:50 PM »
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I got it but I had help  :-[

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2016, 09:16:59 PM »
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More time please, if that's ok with the others.
I've been washing sand and rocks for the new axolotl tank, so haven't had as much time to look around as I would have liked to find the answer.
Now I've started a beer, so the chances of me thinking for the rest of the evening are remote.

@Paddyc it's not help, it's a collaborative project.  ;)

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2016, 09:18:45 PM »
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I have never seen the fish in the flesh, but when I google the name it comes up with a lot of images, including one from PFK forum by someone who has just joined this forum and posted a pic of the fish here! The user name is different so you can't just go looking for posts on PFK by someone called hampalong (his name on here)


It is a barb, a large barb. When the photo was posted, it is the first time I have ever come across this fish.

I did not find it by recognising the photo.
I did not find it by looking at pictures of barbs.
I was more sneaky than that.


I shall just say don't think about trying to find the fish but try to think of a place you might find it, and when you do find the place, you'll know immediately that you have the right fish. I have given you a clue to where that place is already.
And read everything hampalong said in his posts in the Introduce Yourself thread.




Paddy had such a huge clue that he ought to have found it pretty quickly  ;D




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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2016, 09:22:45 PM »
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We should do this more often with these quizzes, its kinda fun :D

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2016, 09:24:20 PM »
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Got it, but only by cheating.  ;)

What a fascinating fish! Would love a tank to adequately home some.
My misses would knock me off my perch if I even suggested it!

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2016, 09:26:21 PM »
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Simon, you are supposed to pm me the name so I can say if you are right  ;D

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2016, 09:27:47 PM »
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Well, at least Simon didn't say it on the forum.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2016, 09:30:21 PM »
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I did not find it by recognising the photo.
I did not find it by looking at pictures of barbs.
I was more sneaky than that.


I shall just say don't think about trying to find the fish but try to think of a place you might find it, and when you do find the place, you'll know immediately that you have the right fish. I have given you a clue to where that place is already.
And read everything hampalong said in his posts in the Introduce Yourself thread.




Paddy had such a huge clue that he ought to have found it pretty quickly  ;D

Yeah yeah, rub it in...  :raspberries

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2016, 09:46:09 PM »
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Turning the laptop off now so anyone who pm's me the answer will have to wait till tomorrow  :)

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« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2016, 09:46:44 PM »
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We should do this more often with these quizzes, its kinda fun :D
I had been thinking that too, Apache - maybe once every month.  However, I'm driving myself demented in my quest to identify the fish...  I'm convinced I've aged by about ten years in the process.  Every so often, I exclaim "Aaah - got it at long last!" but then realise I'm wrong.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2016, 12:17:50 AM »
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I'd just like to point out that you're all big cheats.

 :raspberries

....and I didn't intentionally give any clue.

So if you would kindly forget what it is and try to ID it in the normal laborious manner...


For the record, albino animals are white, because they have no pigmentation whatsoever. They have pink or red eyes, because without pigmentation in the iris you can see the red of the blood vessels in the retina.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2016, 12:27:20 AM »
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I doubt you will find it in a shop, except for a very specialist one. There are probably only a handful of people in the country that own these fish. I had never heard of it until I managed to work out what the fish in the photo was.

Actually from my own research I believe they're possibly the only two that have ever been in Britain. And they came here unidentified.

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« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2016, 07:52:57 AM »
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We should do this more often with these quizzes, its kinda fun :D
I had been thinking that too, Apache - maybe once every month.  However, I'm driving myself demented in my quest to identify the fish...  I'm convinced I've aged by about ten years in the process.  Every so often, I exclaim "Aaah - got it at long last!" but then realise I'm wrong.

Yep! Quiz of the month posted by who ever got the previous month's quiz correct first. That'll mean Sue gets to do it each month! :))

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2016, 08:23:19 AM »
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Why not just have it ongoing, where the person who gets it posts another? If someone gets it on the first day, a month is a long time to wait for the next one.

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« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2016, 08:57:46 AM »
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Why not just have it ongoing, where the person who gets it posts another? If someone gets it on the first day, a month is a long time to wait for the next one.


We should do this more often with these quizzes, its kinda fun :D
I had been thinking that too, Apache - maybe once every month.  However, I'm driving myself demented in my quest to identify the fish...  I'm convinced I've aged by about ten years in the process.  Every so often, I exclaim "Aaah - got it at long last!" but then realise I'm wrong.

Yep! Quiz of the month posted by who ever got the previous month's quiz correct first. That'll mean Sue gets to do it each month! :))


Great ideas, I like the ongoing suggestion...


Just create new threads each time, so they can me marked as solved at the end and mods can update the thread with the common and scientific names :)


Also keep them on this particular board too.  :cheers:

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2016, 09:07:11 AM »
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I'd just like to point out that you're all big cheats.

 :raspberries

....and I didn't intentionally give any clue.

So if you would kindly forget what it is and try to ID it in the normal laborious manner...


Ah but they are so rare that we'd never get it by the normal laborious manner  ;D


I do family history research so I'm used to grabbing the tiniest clue to find the way forward. I had read everything you wrote in your posts and two words in there gave me the clue I needed once I had worked out where I needed to go  :)



Since you have the only ones in the country, how on earth did you manage to identify them?

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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2016, 09:09:36 AM »
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Another forum I'm a member of did ID competitions which ran for ages. Some people used their own fish but most used images from other sites.

If you do this, remember to remove everything from the image that bears the name of the fish. You'd be surprised how many times all you had to do was hover over the image for the name to show.

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2016, 10:04:17 AM »
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If you do this, remember to remove everything from the image that bears the name of the fish. You'd be surprised how many times all you had to do was hover over the image for the name to show.
how do you do that?!?
Why not just have it ongoing, where the person who gets it posts another? If someone gets it on the first day, a month is a long time to wait for the next one.

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We should do this more often with these quizzes, its kinda fun :D
I had been thinking that too, Apache - maybe once every month.  However, I'm driving myself demented in my quest to identify the fish...  I'm convinced I've aged by about ten years in the process.  Every so often, I exclaim "Aaah - got it at long last!" but then realise I'm wrong.

Yep! Quiz of the month posted by who ever got the previous month's quiz correct first. That'll mean Sue gets to do it each month! :))


Great ideas, I like the ongoing suggestion...


Just create new threads each time, so they can me marked as solved at the end and mods can update the thread with the common and scientific names :)


Also keep them on this particular board too.  :cheers:

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Re: Fish Identification from photograph
« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2016, 10:08:39 AM »
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Apache, I haven't a clue how to do that with images from other sites, I just know what happened on the other forum. But someone who does know will be able to tell us.

If you use photos of your own you just have to change the name before adding it to your post.

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