Swelling On Giant Gourami

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Swelling on Giant Gourami
« on: December 12, 2017, 08:45:02 PM »
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Hi..I would appreciate if you anyone could give me a solution for my giant gourami..its been few weeks now there is bloat (pic attached) and shows no interest to food.After going through few online sources i gave peas. it had few and now completely stopped eating them. i couldn't find any problem with swim pattern. I even tried to bath in epsom salt. But it dint make a difference. few expert suggested to stop giving food for few days and see what is the status. Its still the same.. It is less aggressive which is a bad trait for this species...

a quick response would be highly appreciated...


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Re: Swelling on Giant Gourami
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2017, 09:06:10 PM »
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What are you feeding it? Being pretty much vegetarian as adults, high protein foods might be the cause. Stop feeding them (if that's the case) and it may recover.

I can't rule out kidney failure (there's one on each side) or early dropsy... there are treatments for bloating which would be worth a try.

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Re: Swelling on Giant Gourami
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 09:32:28 PM »
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Welcome to the forum, Abdul.  :wave:

Is the fish's mouth normal or has it changed in any way? Does the fish take the food but then spit it out, or show no interest in it at all? Have you seen any signs such as the fish looking as though it's choking?

Have you noticed the fish poo and does it look normal?

What sort of substrate do you have - gravel or sand? The reason I'm asking these questions is just to eliminate the possibility that some substrate has been ingested. My goldfish were prone to swallowing gravel although usually managed to dislodge it within a day, while one of the goldfish also swallowed sand when foraging for food and he looked very similar to how your gourami looks - although he spat some of it out, much of it was swallowed and it was extremely evident when he did a poo as it was very thick and full of sand grains. I want to emphasise that it is very rare that this happens and it is very unlikely that this is the cause in your case but, if you have noticed signs of your fish choking or struggling to swallow and there's a gravel substrate, or you have noticed that the poo is full of sandgrains, then it's a possibility.



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Re: Swelling on Giant Gourami
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2017, 04:47:52 PM »
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What are you feeding it? Being pretty much vegetarian as adults, high protein foods might be the cause. Stop feeding them (if that's the case) and it may recover.

I can't rule out kidney failure (there's one on each side) or early dropsy... there are treatments for bloating which would be worth a try.


hi.. i have stopped feeding for a while.Also i keep changing water every 2-3 days.

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Re: Swelling on Giant Gourami
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2017, 05:31:30 PM »
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Welcome to the forum, Abdul.  :wave:

Is the fish's mouth normal or has it changed in any way? Does the fish take the food but then spit it out, or show no interest in it at all? Have you seen any signs such as the fish looking as though it's choking?

Have you noticed the fish poo and does it look normal?

What sort of substrate do you have - gravel or sand? The reason I'm asking these questions is just to eliminate the possibility that some substrate has been ingested. My goldfish were prone to swallowing gravel although usually managed to dislodge it within a day, while one of the goldfish also swallowed sand when foraging for food and he looked very similar to how your gourami looks - although he spat some of it out, much of it was swallowed and it was extremely evident when he did a poo as it was very thick and full of sand grains. I want to emphasise that it is very rare that this happens and it is very unlikely that this is the cause in your case but, if you have noticed signs of your fish choking or struggling to swallow and there's a gravel substrate, or you have noticed that the poo is full of sandgrains, then it's a possibility.


Thank you.. the fish's mouth is absolutely normal (images attached) It stopped having granulated food. Between i had to force feed cooked pea and it had few since the bloat is not reducing i have stopped feeding them. there is no sign of choking.

the fish dont poo at all :(  I use to keep it along with few other fishes and it had fancy stones in the tank. Since these changes begun i have kept him separate and removed all the stones and other fishes and i never used sands. only small stones. which is removed completely now.  If in case it has swallow stones how can we remove them :( :(

 

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Re: Swelling on Giant Gourami
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2017, 07:13:55 PM »
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If in case it has swallow stones how can we remove them :( :(
The good news is that, if his mouth is closed like that and completely normal, then I think it's safe to say that he hasn't swallowed stones. My experience was that, when the fish had swallowed stones, the fish's mouth would be constantly ajar as though he were choking or trying to dislodge something, even going so far as banging his head off the side of the tank in an effort to help dislodge the offending items.

Keep up the more frequent water changes as you are doing, keeping the water at optimum standards (0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, <20 nitrates or no more than 20 above tap water nitrate level).

If the fish has gone for more than a week without food, I would encourage feeding something; I had at least one, and possibly two, of my goldfish die of probable malnutrition in my efforts to treat their swimbladder malfunction by having fed them increasingly small amounts of food and increasing time with no food whatsoever. On the basis of my own experience, plus Hampalong's suggestion that these fish are mainly vegetarian, I'd advise feeding something very small, such as food tablets which stick on the side of the aquarium glass and release small particles of food - but be careful to remove it after a while to avoid over-feeding. Some of the brands have algae/vegetable matter on one side and meat-based food on the other - you could ensure that the algae/vegetable side is the side nearest the fish. I have also heard positive reports of Repashy Soilent Green for bloating.

A final suggestion, given that you've already tried Epsom salts, might be to try a medication for internal bacteria infection (eg Esha 2000, Waterlife Myxazin). If you think the fish is already weak from lack of food, though, I would suggest under-dosing this at least at first, to be on the safe side.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Swelling on Giant Gourami
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2017, 08:03:56 PM »
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This is not my tip, but one given to me recently by another user. You could try soaking the food in garlic juice to increase its attractiveness to the fish (though probably not to you!).

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Re: Swelling on Giant Gourami
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 05:32:20 PM »
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If in case it has swallow stones how can we remove them :( :(
The good news is that, if his mouth is closed like that and completely normal, then I think it's safe to say that he hasn't swallowed stones. My experience was that, when the fish had swallowed stones, the fish's mouth would be constantly ajar as though he were choking or trying to dislodge something, even going so far as banging his head off the side of the tank in an effort to help dislodge the offending items.

Keep up the more frequent water changes as you are doing, keeping the water at optimum standards (0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, <20 nitrates or no more than 20 above tap water nitrate level).

If the fish has gone for more than a week without food, I would encourage feeding something; I had at least one, and possibly two, of my goldfish die of probable malnutrition in my efforts to treat their swimbladder malfunction by having fed them increasingly small amounts of food and increasing time with no food whatsoever. On the basis of my own experience, plus Hampalong's suggestion that these fish are mainly vegetarian, I'd advise feeding something very small, such as food tablets which stick on the side of the aquarium glass and release small particles of food - but be careful to remove it after a while to avoid over-feeding. Some of the brands have algae/vegetable matter on one side and meat-based food on the other - you could ensure that the algae/vegetable side is the side nearest the fish. I have also heard positive reports of Repashy Soilent Green for bloating.

A final suggestion, given that you've already tried Epsom salts, might be to try a medication for internal bacteria infection (eg Esha 2000, Waterlife Myxazin). If you think the fish is already weak from lack of food, though, I would suggest under-dosing this at least at first, to be on the safe side.

Hope that helps.


Guess I will start feeding with some boiled Peas till I find Repashy Soilent Green. And the bloat is increasing :( so had to stop feeding for a while.
 
Repashy Soilent Green
Waterlife Myxazin

Just for my knowledge - How effective is Aquarium Salt ?  and How long can these kind fishes survive without food?

I forgot to mention about the eyes, as it is popping out and kinda yellowish and causing a blur vision. Cuz even after i put some peas right in front of his eyes it dont get noticed. So i have to drop or feed directly to its mouth or mash and spread it in water and takes its own time to have.


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Re: Swelling on Giant Gourami
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 06:46:28 PM »
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And the bloat is increasing :( so had to stop feeding for a while.
 
Repashy Soilent Green
Waterlife Myxazin

Just for my knowledge - How effective is Aquarium Salt ?  and How long can these kind fishes survive without food?

I forgot to mention about the eyes, as it is popping out and kinda yellowish and causing a blur vision. Cuz even after i put some peas right in front of his eyes it dont get noticed. So i have to drop or feed directly to its mouth or mash and spread it in water and takes its own time to have.

I've found aquarium salt to be effective very quickly in goldfish but haven't used it yet with tropical fish. As the eyes are affected too, though, I would definitely recommend treating now with the Waterlife Myxazin (or eSHa 2000).

Views vary as to how long fish can survive without food - up to 2 weeks is probably ok. However, my first goldfish died after several weeks of only being fed small amounts of courgette/pea/cucumber and my second goldfish died after several weeks/months of being fed small amounts of a range of foods - both had been struggling to eat and stay afloat; it's difficult to extrapolate this to other fish but I'd be wary of letting too long go past without food.

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Re: Swelling on Giant Gourami
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 11:37:50 PM »
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What are the water parameters?

 


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