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Fish Health In My Tank

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Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2018, 07:58:25 AM »
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Fish can live with Popeye for many years. I had a sparkling gourami with this same issue who didn't seem hugely affected by it just like your fish. I'm not sure there is a particularly effective treatment to be honest...

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Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2019, 02:26:13 PM »
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As an update (although I'll probably jinx the situation by writing this!), the various afflicted fish seem to be doing fine. The afflicted harley seems to be much more horizontal in the tank now, without his tail drooping so much, so whatever was going on there seems to be clearing / have cleared. The pop-eyed tetra remains unaffected by his eye. I'm now reaching the stage where I'm opening the tank to do the morning feed without trepidation on account of expecting a body to be floating in the hornwort. Of course, it's usually just as I reach this stage of relative relaxation about the situation that a fatality occurs... fingers crossed that this won't be the case!



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Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2019, 03:36:40 PM »
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POSTS #52 to #60 WERE IN 'THINK FISH KEEPERS DAILY NEWS' THREAD BUT WOULD BE BETTER LOCATED IN THIS THREAD. MOVED 9/4/19 BY FCMF  C:-)


Thanks for the kind words the other day, @Sue, @Littlefish and @Matt. Poor Wee Harley keeps hovering in different locations in the tank, eyes constantly on the move and clearly on the lookout for her buddy Little Harley - they were always side-by-side. However, she has linked up with the other 3 now.

Hospital tank is in action again - this time nursing the neon green rasbora with the slightly hump-backed spine. He started bending oddly and tipping from side-to-side, especially if in the current flow, and one eye looked slightly enlarged, so I'm treating him with eSHa 2000. I'm not entirely sure that this is the correct course of action, as he's also displaying slightly strange behaviours such as swimming in circles and chasing his own tail, seizing up in a C position, and the occasional flailing from one end of the tank to the other as though having some sort of neurological episode, albeit at least some of this seems to be connected to being spooked easily such as through any movement in the room or a light being switched on. He's one of the first of the two batches of neon greens, and they haven't fared as well as the second batch which look much healthier.

Oughtn't to admit this but, with him and one of the harlequins unlikely to see out the next few months, my mind is already wandering as to what species next - the choice may end up being made on what looks constitutionally the strongest!

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Re: Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2019, 06:38:50 PM »
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I always get the same mixed feelings at the passing of the last of a species. Good must come with the bad... but then the guilt of not feeling bad... then the excitement of new fish...   :-\

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« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2019, 09:50:22 PM »
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I always get the same mixed feelings at the passing of the last of a species. Good must come with the bad... but then the guilt of not feeling bad... then the excitement of new fish...   :-\
Your words have been playing on my mind this evening.  My shoals are actually all ~half sizes now rather than down to the last one or two.  Hmmm - I'd been thinking of keeping my stocking around the 80% mark and possibly introducing a new shoal if the two I think aren't going to last much longer do indeed pass away.  I thought I probably wouldn't replenish the shoals of the 4 / 4.5 yr-old x-rays and harlies as I'd rather remember the individuals constituting the original shoals as they are rather than "replace" them, and the young neon green rasboras haven't fared too well so I'm not keen on replenishing their shoal. Now, though, I'm wondering if a fourth species in a 54L tank might actually be a bad idea and I'd be better to wait...  :-\

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« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2019, 03:53:16 PM »
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Hospital tank is in action again - this time nursing the neon green rasbora with the slightly hump-backed spine. He started bending oddly and tipping from side-to-side, especially if in the current flow, and one eye looked slightly enlarged, so I'm treating him with eSHa 2000. I'm not entirely sure that this is the correct course of action, as he's also displaying slightly strange behaviours such as swimming in circles and chasing his own tail, seizing up in a C position, and the occasional flailing from one end of the tank to the other as though having some sort of neurological episode, albeit at least some of this seems to be connected to being spooked easily such as through any movement in the room or a light being switched on. He's one of the first of the two batches of neon greens, and they haven't fared as well as the second batch which look much healthier.

Video of aforementioned fish, an hour following third/final dosage of eSHa 2000 - https:/#/youtu.be/onfMmgtdCQ4 [remove # to watch]. Behaviour is odd, and was what was occurring in main tank prior to being moved to hospital tank. I don't think it's the same as what happened to Little Harley - his demise was very sudden - but I wouldn't rule it out altogether. He is definitely very easily spooked in the hospital tank and I'm purposefully staying away from that room to give him peace, and I'm not sure how much of this strange behaviour is exacerbated by seeing his own reflection on the bottom. It's the same filter as the fish had when in QT so, even if the flow is too strong (and I'll have another go at putting filter wool in the outflow nozzle), it oughtn't to account for this strange turning/circling. Neurological symptoms? A parasitic infection (although I'm not seeing anything)? Thoughts including course of action welcome; thanks!
Update: Have managed to reduce the filter flow with some filter sponge so that it's only a trickle and have covered the tank floor in sand. Behaviour of going round in circles is slightly calmer but still continues, including the losing-balance type of behaviour.
Further update: He seems to have calmed down a bit more. If he's still alive, I think I'll make a decision early tomorrow afternoon whether to extend the treatment course or start diluting the eSHa 2000 in prep for moving him back to the main tank later tomorrow or the following day.
Final update (first thing the following morning): Well-and-truly dead, looking as though he may have died late last night. :'( He had looked a lot calmer throughout the eve, and my hopes were rising that he would pull through but it seems to be yet another case of animals/humans perking up from serious illness before a sudden fatal demise. After a bit of googling, I did wonder if it might be whirling disease...

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Re: Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2019, 12:50:28 PM »
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@fcmf  that is such sad news.  :(

As most of your gang are quite rich in years you may be going through a very unfortunate phase with your fish. Although they have lived long & happy lives, this doesn't dim the pain of the situation. My thoughts are with you are this difficult time.

I'm with you on not wanting to replace certain fish, and wanting to remember individuals. With a large shoal of identical fish it doesn't seem to have the same impact, but the loss of a fish that can be identified as an individual (due to colour patterns, or because it's something like a betta, or the only fish of that species in a tank) it seems to be that much harder. When you've bonded with fish to the point that they have names, any loss is a massive blow.  :'(

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« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2019, 05:27:23 PM »
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Aw, thanks @Littlefish, for your kind words.  Yes, I seem to be going through an unfortunate phase at present, possibly due to some old fish but also due to the first of the two batches of neon greens in particular not faring well for whatever reason (nothing to do with water quality which is consistently as it ought to be). Hmmm - perhaps I ought to consider a single-species tank in the future to avoid bonding too much with any one fish and also because possibly they may fare better in a large shoal...

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Re: Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2019, 07:50:18 AM »
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A word of warning about bonding with a larger shoal, I have already named two individuals in my single species tiger barb tank of 27 fish.  :)

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Re: Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2019, 10:13:17 AM »
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I can usually recognise one or perhaps two individuals from a shoal but the majority all look identical to me.

There is a group of fish you could think about for the future - Boraras. These are usually wild caught which means they are less tolerant of water parameters at the edge of their normal range. You have very soft water which is perfect for these fish. Like the dwarf cories, they do best in groups of 10+ and a huge shoal could look stunning in your tank.
Chili rasboras, Boraras brigittae, are the most common, but I think a lot of shops sell the less colourful B urophthamoides as B brigittae. My favourite is the slightly larger B maculatus which is bright red.
None of the Boraras are in the fish profiles, unfortunately, but Axelrod's rasbora is in there. This fish is the same size as B maculatus and has the same requirements. In fact, this would suit your water as well but are not easy to find.

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Re: Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2019, 04:37:46 PM »
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Thanks. Coincidentally, my LFS had a posting this weekend saying that they had the chillis, axelrods and the maculatus in stock currently...  No, I am not going to start playing around with the CC to see how many I could fit in now! The one issue I need to be very careful with is that no stock is too small to slither its way behind the filter, so the maculatus may be the best option when the time is right. [From learning with the microdevarios, I do have the corner filter attached with magnets plus thin pieces of filter sponge squeezed in where it sits out slightly due to the suction cups but, if they're any smaller than the MKDs, I may need to be even more careful!]

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Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2019, 08:07:31 PM »
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Connected with Think Fish Keepers Daily News thread post #1733 and subsequent posts from that thread #1742-1750 which were merged with this thread into posts #52-60, another microdevario kubotai / neon green rasbora (MDK/NGR) in hospital tank now with eSHa 2000...   

Last week, the day before moving Hump-backed NGR into it, I noticed another NGR had developed a feature - a dark spot on its flank, probably near its intestines. The following day, it had developed two smaller dark spots in the same position on the other flank. I've been monitoring the situation and thought the larger spot was worsening/deepening. Strangely, that fish was missing this morning - but then re-appeared from wherever on the 5th attempt of counting plus opening and shutting the lid.

This evening, I've just discovered that fish breathing/gasping/drinking rapidly from the surface and the dark spot is a definite ulcer, right through to the white of the internal organ - precisely what and in the same location as one of the two female tetras had recurringly for 18 months before succumbing to it and possibly similar to Bent Spine Harley's although his is less deep, further up his flank, seems to be cause of his curved spine, and he seems to be living with it better than I'd anticipated.  I have little hope here due to the fast breathing/gasping/drinking and the track record I've had with these fish (5/12 left including him and they're only 0.75 year old).

Any thoughts on whether I ought to be trying a medication for parasites instead? I've never seen anything protruding from any of the ulcers in the aforementioned fish.

[...and Mr FCMF wants me to get rid of the fishtank once the current stock have depleted as he insists "fishkeeping's too much hassle"...  >:(]

Update (following morning): Fish is lifeless on bottom of hospital tank :'( , a particular shame as he seemed to be doing well in it throughout the evening. That leaves only one fish left from that particular batch of 8, one with a forked tail and who has been fine until now but is hiding on his own at the bottom of the tank and didn't bother to have breakfast...

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Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2019, 08:25:23 AM »
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So sorry to hear that another fish has passed @fcmf   :'(

You are having such an awful time with your fish at the moment, I really don't know what to suggest.

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Re: Fish health in my tank
« Reply #63 on: April 12, 2019, 03:51:27 PM »
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Thanks, @Littlefish. The final fish in that original batch of 8 (Forktail) has been taking to playing hide'n'seek in the mornings, something the previous fish did just before dying. I check the water surface every morning for any overnight fatalities, drop in the fish food, try counting and re-counting several times, then get out a torch to scan the bottom of the tank for any bodies, at which point this particular fish suddenly appears.  Only if a week goes past without a fatality, might I settle a little...

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